Houston Press -
June 13, 2007
City of Angels
By Richard Connelly
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talked last week with Los Angeles urban expert Joel Kotkin, author of a
study for the Greater Houston Partnership on how to keep Houston growing.
Kotkin told the GHP (Houston’s version of the chamber of commerce) they
should not follow other cities who have tried to attract “the elite” –
brainy young professionals – and instead focus on vocational education.
That message got somehow twisted into “Houston, you’re doing great,” but
spinning has always been a local specialty.
(The initial Houston Chronicle story we referenced in the Hair Balls
item, by the way, was followed June 12 by a column from the Chron’s Lisa
Falkenberg which somehow portrayed the GHP as a fierce warrior on curbing
air pollution: “Kotkin's argument seems regressive, or digressive, from the
progress members of the Partnership have made in recent years to balance
business concerns with concern about quality-of-life issues such as air
quality, congestion and green space. This past [legislative] session, the
Partnership helped the mayor lobby for a bill to improve Houston's air. It
failed because of politics, not because of complacency.”)
Kotkin was trying to head out the door for an appointment, but he talked
about Houston and other things:
Houston Press: What, we’re not hip?
JK: I’ve always said if you need a campaign to prove you’re hip and cool,
you’re not. Personally I think Houston’s very cool. I don’t think that’s
what’s going to drive people to Houston, but what I think is cool about
Houston is what happens in the grassroots: The neighborhoods, the Harwin
corridor, Montrose, all the little nooks and crannies of Houston are quite
interesting. And I’m sure there’s many things I don’t know, even though I’ve
been there lots of times.
I sort of make fun of the hip and cool thing, like you know Cleveland has
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and they can’t get artists to go there. They
have to do the awards in New York.
I’m sort of an old-fashioned social democrat in my politics – I say let’s
deal with the basic stuff that actually matters to people, like parks for
families or good schools or good jobs. I make a big deal in the report about
the vocational educational system because we did interviews with employers
and what they would say to us is “We don’t have problems getting
well-educated people to come to Houston, [but] we can’t find blue-collar
workers who can pass a drug test.” Or “We can’t find a machinist.” Sometimes
it’s the more basic stuff that employers have problems with.
So I think Houston’s doing not that badly on attracting the
well-educated. It gets better as you get into [people aged in their] 30s and
20s.
So is Houston hip and cool? I think it’s very interesting, I think it’s
understudied, I think it’s underappreciated nationally and underappreciated
by a lot of people who should know better, the people who live there…
Will there be a music scene to come out of Houston? You know, its
conceivable. I’m not a great expert on that. But does Houston have a lot of
amenities? You know, I went out with [friends] to a sushi bar on Westheimer.
It was 8:30 at night, it was winter and I swear I thought I was on the West
Side of Manhattan.
HP: Whaaat?
JK: There must be a yuppie influx going on on the west side of Houston
that’s pretty interesting that I didn’t see five years ago, ten years ago.
The way cities evolve is that cities become economic magnets and over time
they begin to attract things they would not have otherwise, like money for
the arts, or good restaurants, or a bar scene, and those are products of the
economics. First your city gets some money, then people come and decide they
want to stay there, and then they start caring about things like whether
they’re going to get more parks.
HP: What about the pictures you used in your report? (Instead of endless,
featureless suburbs, the report features Houston Proud shots of downtown
Metro stations and standard chamber-of-commerce type shots.)
JK: I had no part – I actually told them. I would have not picked those
pictures.
HP: Why?
JK: I would’ve picked some of them, but I would’ve shot the Chinese malls
on Bellaire, I would’ve shot the Harwin corridor, I would’ve done more in
Houston Heights, I would’ve done more neighborhoods, even the shopping
district in The Woodlands. Because when I think of Houston I think of those
images. Those other images [in the report], it’s kind of more – it’s
beautiful, but they’re kind of commonplace that you would find in any city’s
report. Every city has a few big buildings with a park near it. But my taste
are not the tastes of everybody.
HP: There’s no — you don’t show streets of suburban sprawl and strip
malls.
JK: No, but I don’t know of any group or city that would pay for that
kind of picture.
HP: But that’s a little closer to reality.
JK: It is, but you know, that’s a part of the reality everywhere. Even in
New York City if you get outside Manhattan…
HP What do you think was the biggest criticism you had for Houston? It
seems like you had a lot of “You’re not doing bad, keep doing what you’re
doing,” which is what anyone wants to hear. What do you think was some
criticism about Houston and things the people around it are not doing well?
JK: Houston, like every big city, and the country in general, has a huge
class problem evolving. In other words, that we have an increasingly
sophisticated technological society which is also exporting a lot of the
blue-collar jobs and even some of the mid-level white-collar jobs, and so
there are a lot of people who are going to have trouble reaching the
middle-class American Dream. Now, that dream is closer in Houston because of
the [housing] costs than it is in a lot of cities, and that’s a good thing.
Now, I think Houston – and I’ve said this repeatedly in the meetings with
the GHP, and I think they get it – that this issue of addressing the ability
of this next generation, with a lot of them being immigrants of course, to
have upward mobility is the biggest challenge.
And we said that, we said it distinctly; if people don’t want to hear it,
they don’t want to hear it. What we said was Houston had an interesting
model for how you deal with these issues…In a place like Boston or San
Francisco, the model is ethnic cleansing. You just drive the middle-class,
working families out of town. You price them out and they’re gone. Takes
care of that problem…
HP: Most cities are surrounded by discrete and independent suburbs, while
Houston just grows and grows and annexes. Is that a factor of any kind?
JK: Yes, I think it’s a big factor. And it’s one of the reasons of hope
for Houston because Houston – many of the older, industrial cities now are
crammed into such small spaces that in most cases they’re just kind of
destitute. You take Hartford [Connecticut] for instance – who the hell’s
going to live in Hartford, where if you go 10 minutes out of town you’re
living in a lovely Connecticut village? Then in the cities that are really
attractive like Boston and San Francisco, they’re just gentrified,
neighborhood after neighborhood with no place for the middle- and
working-class families to go, they’re just pushed out. Houston has room for
a lot of evolution to take place….
I think [Houston] is a very exciting place to be right now. I do think
there are these fundamental issues, I think education number one, parks
number two, that are two big future issues. And that’s what we said in the
report; you know, I guess some people don’t know how to read. You know
there’s nothing you can do about that. If people want to not see what you
write, than there’s nothing I can do about that.
HP: You’re like a coach – “I can’t play the game for you.”
JK: That’s exactly right. No matter how much you say it. But I think
there’s an element of Houston, when you’re talking about the hip and cool
stuff, there’s an element of Houston that can’t take yes for an answer.
HP: How so?
JK: I just think there are people in Houston who just can’t see how
anyone can say something nice about Houston. [They say] “Why would you want
to be here, why would you live here?” And what’s funny is –
HP: Well, you know why that is – it’s because it’s just not a tourist
city.
JK: That’s exactly right. That’s exactly right, it’s not a tourist town.
You know, it’s a place where people live and make a living. And it works,
not perfectly, but pretty well. But it’s not a tourist town
HP: Which goes to self-image, you know, “Why doesn’t anyone want to come
visit here?’
JK: Let me put it this way – would you rather be Houston or New Orleans?
Everyone wanted to visit New Orleans, that’s a tourist town. Or even San
Francisco, which has become such a weird place over the years.. as my friend
says, it’s a cross between Carmel and Calcutta.
HP: And expensive.
JK: Unbelievably expensive. The highest concentration of inherited wealth
in America of any major city…. So my sense is that there is a really a –
[Houston] is a city where its intelligentsia in particular has a hard time
with it. It reminds me a lot of LA when I first moved here 30 years ago,
people didn’t think of LA as a culturally interesting place. It didn’t have
good restaurants, it wasn’t hip. Over the last 30 years that has changed,
and I think Houston in the next 20-30 years, it will come to realize it is
really an emerging great city. It’s just going to take a while for anyone to
recognize it.
HP: What was your single best place you went to here?
JK: In terms of….
HP: I don’t want to say “hipness” again, but in terms of someplace that
was uniquely –
JK: I have a good friend, [architect] Tim Cisneros who lives in Houston
Heights and I really liked his neighborhood. One thing I try to do, I don’t
try to say “I like something, therefore it has to be good.” I was brought up
in New York, I live in LA, I live in a 1930s ranch house in what is by LA
standards an old neighborhood. That’s what I like. So if I was to live in
Houston I would probably want to live in Houston Heights or Rice Village,
although that might have too many academics for my taste….
HP: Have you ever been here in August?
JK: Yes.
HP: And you survived.
JK: Yes. My wife says I’m not quite human. I go to North Dakota in
January and it doesn’t bother me. Part of it is living in LA, I go “It’s an
experience.” But then I don’t have to live in it all the time. Look, weather
and topography are not Houston’s strong points, and that’s why it’s not a
tourist city. But I like it. I think it’s a very underappreciated,
understudied city. It was very hard to get a lot of good historical
information on Houston.
HP: There is no history, there’s just what’s happening now.
JK: What’s funny is there’s not a lot of good stuff on what’s happening
now. I haven’t seen a lot of articles about something interesting going on
in Houston. Yet it’s a city going through a huge boom and has obviously a
lot of big issues, but I think it’s a very interesting city…[Houston
receives disdain from] both the Eastern Establishment and the local elites.
HP: Disdain of the local elites of whom?
JK: Of Houston itself. You know, “If we can only be Boston by the Bayou.”
It’s not gonna happen.
You are what you are, you build yourself on your own DNA. You know, to go
send a study mission to Portland to look for models for Houston is an
absurdity. It’s a complete absurdity.
HP: And yet it’s done.
JK: And yet it’s done, and people genuflect before it. Houston is what it
is; LA is what it is. And you figure out how to make the best of what you
are….You have to look at what your core issues are, whether it’s open space
or education, and I think particularly education at the sort of vocational
school, community college, social uplift part of the educational [system],
that’s where I think there’s really a problem.
And let’s face it, there’s a lot of people in Houston who want to tell
you about the art museum and the theater and I think that’s fine, that’s
great. But that’s not the most critical issue facing Houston.
HP: Did you get much into the environment, pollution? It didn’t seem so.
JK: I didn’t go into great detail on that. I mentioned parks a lot.
Because [pollution] is a whole `nother issue. Remember, I only had X amount
of time and X amount of money and I was asked to essentially study economics
and urban evolution. I’ve written a lot about the environment [elsewhere],
but that’s not what I was doing here. I’ll be speaking a lot more about it
next week [in Houston]…..I was not commissioned to work on that issue.
HP: The people you were working for, in terms of “economic engines,” they
aren’t going to worry that “Gee, Pasadena puts a lot of gunk in the air.”
JK: I think they probably do. I will say that I did not find the people
that I was working with to be unaware – and certainly, Bill White – to be
unaware that pollution is a major issue….I’ve been saying privately to the
fellows in Houston, at the Partnership, that you’ve got to get much more
behind renewables, you’ve got to become an energy-conservation – a place
that thinks about energy and does cutting-edge research on energy, not just,
you know, oil and gas. But that’s long-term stuff.
HP: And did they listen to that?
JK: I think some of them are aware. My sense of it, and I’m not a great
expert – but I do a lot of work in energy, also – is that there are elements
of the energy industry that understand that and there are elements of the
energy industry that don’t. Some companies, like BP and Shell, are at least
involved in alternative energies; there are others that are far less so. One
of the things I would certainly say to the energy-cluster people, the energy
corridor, is that they’ve got to diversify more because other parts of the
country [are].
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